Razors SL vs Roces M12 (shell sizing and weight)

Summary of the video (Razors SL vs Roces M12 — shell sizing and weight)

Product(s) reviewed/compared

• Roces M12 (reviewer’s “known good” skate; previously owned and liked)
• Razors SL (reviewer’s newer skate they tried after issues with fit in re-entry)

The video is mostly a fit-and-sizing deep dive (shell length/width and liner effects) plus a weight comparison between skate setups.

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Main features discussed

Roces M12

Shell sizing (reviewer measured/comparared)

• Shell length equivalence (as found by the reviewer):
  • 11/12 shell (Roces M12) ≈ 10/11 length for Razors SL
• Width (as provided/measured by reviewer): ~92 mm
• Reviewer’s foot measurements:
  • 295 mm length
  • 110 mm widest width

Boot/sole characteristics

• The M12 boot has a more solid bottom (less “squishy” than Razors’ open bottom design).
• Feels more direct/locked-in with regular M12 sole plates.

User experience highlights

• Initially, the reviewer had heel lift on the M12s.
• Later they fixed it using Myfit Crown liners.
• With the right length/width + liner, the fit becomes snug and high-control, and heel lift is eliminated.

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Razors SL

Shell sizing (reviewer’s key discovery)

• Length-wise:
  • Razors SL 10/11 shell length matches Roces M12 11/12 shell length
• Width-wise:
  • Width difference is substantial:
    • Razors SL shell width: ~102 mm
    • Roces M12 shell width: ~92 mm
    • Difference: ~1 cm wider on SL

Design characteristics

• More open bottom / no solid “soleplate body” feel
  • Reviewer describes it as more flexible/squishy when held/squeezed.
• Requires more setup tuning (padding/liner) if you’re not wide-footed.

User experience highlights

• With liners (initially Intuition liners, later considering Myfit Crown), the reviewer still noticed side-to-side motion/sloppiness after break-in.
• This is attributed to shell width + flex/open bottom.

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Key sizing and fitting conclusions (practical takeaways)

• Big takeaway:

  • Length: Razors SL 10/11 and Roces M12 11/12 are effectively the same shell length (per reviewer comparison).
  • Width: Razors SL is much wider (~102 mm vs ~92 mm for M12).

• Who Razors SL is for (implied):

  • The reviewer believes Razors SL would be fantastic for wide feet.

• Who Roces M12 is for (implied):

  • The reviewer’s best fit ended up being M12, especially after the right liner eliminated heel lift.

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Liner impact (major “what changed everything” point)

Why the reviewer tried liners

• They believed downsizing meant stock liners wouldn’t fit properly.

Myfit Crown liners

• In Razors SL:
  • The reviewer found comfort initially, but later noticed side-to-side slop after break-in.
• In Roces M12:
  • The reviewer calls Myfit Crown a game changer:
    • Eliminated heel lift
    • Produced the best snug, high-control fit

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Weight comparisons (numerical)

Boot weight comparison (shell + components)

Approximate results, explicitly stated as near-equal:

• Razors SL (shell + buckle/cuff as weighed): 1 lb 7.6 oz
• Roces M12 (shell + buckle as weighed): 1 lb 8.4 oz
• Difference: < 1 oz (nearly the same overall)

Important context: Even though overall weights are almost identical, the feel differs because the Razors SL has a more open bottom (less stiff feel).

Sole plate weight comparison (Vollo versions)

Reviewer weighs sole plates to compare older vs newer designs:

• Vollo old-style sole plate: 15.8 oz
• Vollo two-piece (newer) sole plate: 1 lb 1.3 oz
• Comparison noted vs M12:
  • M12 sole plate: ~10 oz

Reviewer interpretation:

• The reviewer thinks Fifth Elements may be heavy due to the heavier sole plate system, potentially related to rebranded Vollo plates.

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Pros and cons mentioned

Razors SL — Pros

• Great for wide feet (based on shell width difference)
• Light-ish overall
  • Reviewer reports nearly the same boot weight as M12
• With the right liner, can be comfortable

Razors SL — Cons

• Too wide for the reviewer (about 1 cm wider shell width than M12)
• Sloppy/side-to-side motion after break-in (attributed to width + flex from open bottom)
• Feels more flex/squish due to open-bottom construction (noted while squeezing)

Roces M12 — Pros

• Best fit overall once corrected:
  • Heel lift eliminated with Myfit Crown liners
  • Fit is tight/snug without discomfort
• More direct lock-in feel due to slimmer boot/solid bottom
• Reviewer appreciates that it doesn’t feel overbuilt (no extra clunky plastic)

Roces M12 — Cons (as encountered)

• Considerable heel lift initially (fixed later with different liners/padding)

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Comparisons to other products/models (within the video)

• Intuition liners (Razors SL setup)

  • Chosen because the reviewer thought stock liners wouldn’t fit after sizing changes.
  • Didn’t fully solve motion issues.

• Old vs newer Vollo sole plates

  • Reviewer conceptually prefers the old one-piece style (sturdier, simpler, replaceable soles).
  • The newer two-piece design feels potentially more complex and could be more flex-prone (though the reviewer didn’t report flexy feel during use).

• Fifth Elements (suspicion)

  • Reviewer suggests Fifth Elements may be heavier mostly due to sole plate design/weight.

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Unique points mentioned (extracted)

1. The reviewer returned to rollerblading after 10+ years off and became obsessive about getting the perfect fit.
2. K2 Unnatural fit felt terrible (stiff/weird; poor match for skating/fit), increasing boot-fitting obsession.
3. Big-foot concern: wants closest possible fit for control and aesthetics; avoids clunky “enormous boats.”
4. Roces M12 originally felt good, but had considerable heel lift.
5. Reviewer assumed M12 might have been individually sized shells previously, affecting expectations from current shell labels.
6. Foot measurements used for sizing:
   • Length ~290–295 mm (reviewer states 290 and 295)
   • Widest width ~110 mm
7. Length/label mismatch discovery:
   • Razors SL 10/11 matches Roces M12 11/12 length.
8. Width difference quantified:
   • SL 102 mm wide
   • M12 92 mm wide
   • Full ~1 cm wider on SL
9. Even with correct length, SL needs more padding due to width and flex.
10. Razors SL open-bottom construction leads to more flex/squish feel.
11. Reported overall boot weights are almost the same (< 1 oz difference).
12. Weighing sole plates leads to a hypothesis:
    • Fifth Elements heaviness may stem from heavier sole plate systems.
13. Old vs new Vollo plate design weights and preference:
    • Old = lighter and simpler/replaceable
    • New two-piece = heavier; could be flexier conceptually
14. Aftermarket Vollo plates on M12 were tried, but the reviewer ultimately prefers regular M12 sole plates for a more direct feel.
15. Myfit Crown liners on M12 were the “game changer”:
    • eliminated heel lift and achieved the best fit
16. Final recommendation (reviewer’s conclusion):
    • M12 is the correct skate for their needs
    • SL is great but not a perfect fit for them

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Speakers

• Single speaker (no distinct additional voices).