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As Tech Trade Falters, Value Stocks Are Breaking Out | David Hay

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Core investment themes / messages

  • Value stocks are “breaking out” as tech trade falters. The speaker frames this as a rotation away from crowded/overvalued growth and AI-related names toward cheaper value and deep value stocks.
  • Energy remains undervalued versus physical supply reality. The case cites geopolitical and shipping risks as ongoing drivers.
  • Major macro risk: potential repatriation of foreign assets to Japan (yen rally / capital flow reversal) could overwhelm passive capital flows into US equities, pressuring US asset prices—especially if paired with an AI-bubble risk.
  • Credit warning signs: spreads widening in private credit and rising long-term Treasury yields suggest risk is building beneath the surface.
  • Precious metals setup: silver/gold miners may be forming a base after large declines; central bank gold demand is expected to persist.

Tickers / ETFs / instruments mentioned

Energy / commodities

  • USO — oil ETF tracking crude
  • XL — energy sector ETF
  • WTI / Brent — oil benchmarks (mentioned; not tickers)
  • EOG — EOG Resources (oil & gas producer)
  • SRUF — uranium via a “SPRAT” ETF/trust vehicle mentioned

Uranium / nuclear

  • SPRAT — uranium trust/vehicle referenced (mentioned alongside SRUF)
  • Alo — company mentioned (no ticker provided)
  • “VAN” nuclear ETF — mentioned as “VANC” in subtitles (ticker not provided)
  • “GDN” / “GDX” / “GDXJ” — gold miner ETF family mentioned; GDX and GDXJ explicitly; GDN also mentioned

Banks / equity indices

  • KRE — regional bank ETF/index mentioned

Technology / equities

  • SpaceX — mentioned (no public ticker)
  • Google (Alphabet) — mentioned (no ticker provided)
  • Tesla — TSLA implied but not explicitly stated as a ticker
  • IBM — mentioned
  • Oracle — mentioned
  • Micron — mentioned
  • Meta / Microsoft / Apple — mentioned (no tickers provided)

Credit / rates

  • 30-year Treasury yield referenced (no ticker)
  • “Oracle bonds” referenced

Precious metals

  • SLV — silver ETF
  • GLD — gold ETF
  • GDX / GDXJ — gold miner ETFs

Coal (Australia)

  • Yan Cole — likely “Yancoal” (ticker not provided)
  • New Hope — New Hope Corporation (ticker not provided)

Key numbers and market/risk specifics cited

Oil / energy

  • Oil move: “oil’s gone from $69 end of June to about $93 today” (WTI referenced)
  • Brent vs WTI: Brent “over $100”; the WTI–Brent discount widened again
  • Physical market shortages cited:
    • Oil in Asia referenced around ~$170/barrel (during the April–May context)
    • Red Sea / shipping capacity operating at ~50–60%
    • ~20% of world oil supply at risk via Strait of Hormuz
    • ~12% of global oil shipments at risk via Bab el-Mandeb / the “Red Sea” route
  • Oil trading range thesis: expected to be rangebound, with an “equilibrium point” around $80–$90, plus potential spikes higher
  • Energy equities vs crude: speaker suggests taking profits in crude after a rally, but sees more upside in energy equities than in crude

Positioning / technical contrarian signal (oil)

  • John Kemp chart referenced:
    • Futures positioning indicator (“red line”):
      • High → positioning overly bullish → exit or go short
      • Low → positioning overly bearish → buy
    • Mentions July 7 as a low point with oil bouncing around ~$70/bbl

Natural gas

  • Natural gas price cited: ~$3 per MMBTU (“ridiculously cheap”)
  • Europe gas storage described as “fallen off the cliff,” with concern about a severe winter (qualitative)

Valuation / equities (value vs growth)

  • Value example: “pretty good companies… trading at 10x earnings or less”
  • Regional banks: described as reasonably priced at ~10–12x earnings
  • Caterpillar (CAT):
    • Valuation concern mentioned: P/S ~31–32x and P/E ~6 (speaker’s framing: extreme valuation / capacity constraints)
    • Risk framing: AI data center buildout slowing could hurt CAT due to capex sensitivity

Margin debt / speculation / leverage

  • Margin debt / speculation described as having gone “vertical”
  • Correlation timing: estimated ~18-month delayed effect on the S&P
  • Warning about leveraged behavior: “people… buying call options on leverage ETF with margin”

Credit / spreads / default risk (macro risk)

  • Investment grade: spreads “very tight”
  • Private credit:
    • Private credit yields: ~9
    • Junk (BB): ~7.3
    • Default rates in private credit described as soaring
    • Portfolio example: marked down from 100 to 81 overnight (DoubleLine example relayed)
  • BB vs CCC spread warning: about ~300 bps (3%) increase
  • Treasury yields:
    • 30-year Treasury ~5.18% described as a “breakout”
    • Scenario risk: move toward ~6% would be “really bad news” for stocks

Repatriation / yen (macro catalyst)

  • Yen described as ~50% undervalued vs USD (PPP/Big Mac referenced)
  • Japan incentive discussion:
    • Japan could encourage repatriation by raising short-term rates by ~50 bps (speaker expectation)
    • Example risk: a yen rally can shock markets (summer ’04 yen rally; Japan market fell ~14% in a day)

AI trade risks / earnings quality

  • Earnings quality concern:
    • Google earnings: “almost two-thirds” of gains attributed to profits on venture capital investments in AI entities
    • Warning that earnings contain non-recurring gains; depreciation schedule effects may not yet hit P&L
  • AI capex risk:
    • AI capex cited roughly as ~$700B this year to ~$1.1T next year
  • Backlog/IPO and competition risk:
    • OpenAI IPO timing uncertainty (possibly pushed toward 2027)
    • “token costs have gone through the roof”
    • increasing competition from Chinese models

Precious metals

  • Silver:
    • SLV down “$2 again” on the day; “equivalent to a little more than $2 in spot”
    • Context: silver “$120 close to the top” earlier in the year
  • Gold:
    • GLD flat for a month; technical requirement mentioned: “need to get above this blue line” (level not specified)
  • Silver miner sentiment:
    • GDX/GDXJ: investor apathy due to outflows despite prior strength (reference to “largest down year last year”)
  • Gold miners / resilience:
    • Miner margins vs gold described as still intact
    • Miners trading at valuation multiples below average
  • Central bank buying:
    • World Gold Council survey: central banks expected to continue to pretty significantly increase reserves

Explicit recommendations / cautions

Energy

  • If following the energy trade:
    • Take profits on oil/USO after a large rally (explicit)
    • Prefer energy equities for more upside
    • Use volatility tactically: “embrace volatility” rather than abandoning energy at the wrong time

Oil positioning (contrarian framework)

  • Use futures positioning extremes to time exits/entries (John Kemp “red line” approach)

AI / equity allocation

  • Not a “bomb shelter” stance—stay invested but actively rotate
  • Don’t overstay winners: if markets correct, rotate from tech to value
  • Caution on over-extended speculation:
    • rising margin debt
    • risk of severe corrections

Credit / rates

  • Watch private credit spreads and BB/CCC spread
  • Watch 30-year Treasury yield ~5.18%; potential move toward 6% is highlighted as a key risk

Precious metals

  • Emphasize dollar-cost averaging (DCA):
    • buy gradually rather than trying to time tops/bottoms
    • keep allocation moderate (avoid oversizing)
  • Suggestion: a base may be forming, but maintain patience and risk management

Stocks / concentration

  • Caterpillar (CAT): if holding, consider partial profits due to valuation/capex slowdown risk (explicit suggestion)

Methodology / step-by-step frameworks mentioned

Oil contrarian positioning framework (John Kemp-style)

  1. Identify the futures positioning indicator (“red line”).
  2. If the indicator is low (bearish extremes) → buy / enter.
  3. If the indicator is high (bullish extremes) → exit / take profits or short.

“Value breakout” rotation logic

  • Look for breakouts in sectors/stocks.
  • Prefer value / deep value when growth/tech looks crowded/overvalued.
  • Use technical confirmation but buy on pullbacks after breakout.

Precious metals risk-managed accumulation (DCA)

  • Avoid trying to time exact tops/bottoms.
  • Build positions via regular purchases.
  • Keep position size within “emotional/financial capacity.”

Disclosures / disclaimers

  • No explicit “not financial advice” disclaimer appears in the provided subtitles.
  • The speaker does include risk/position sizing cautions (e.g., avoid oversizing metals positions, watch volatility, take profits).

Presenters / sources mentioned (at end)

  • Adam Tagert — host; Thoughtful Money
  • David Hay — guest; former CIO of Evergreen Golf; publisher of Haymaker
  • Lacy Hunt — credited as upcoming keynote/interviewer; discussed credit/rates
  • Jeremy Grantham / GMO — referenced value framework
  • Mike Green — referenced regarding passive capital flows
  • Rick Rule — referenced energy/uranium commentary
  • Kevin Mure — mentioned in energy context
  • Mike Rothman — Cornerstone; referenced
  • Jeff Currie — referenced oil/glut narrative
  • Mike Worth — Chevron CEO; referenced
  • Stephanie Pomboy — referenced for private credit/default tracking
  • Jesse Felder — referenced for credit/margin debt and chart work
  • John Lodra — New Harbor Financial; presenter
  • Mike Preston — New Harbor Financial; presenter
  • Van Eck / “Vanek” — cited as “Vanek” in precious metals miner charts
  • Grant Williams — mentioned in uranium/nuclear context
  • Wall Street expectations — described as potentially too optimistic on AI capex timelines

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