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Raising Capital in DTC: Why Founders Get Bad Deals & How to Avoid Them
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Company snapshot (DTC / CPG)
- Brand: The Outgoing Co (formerly Ramp Health; rebranded last year due to a trademark issue)
- Founding / first shipped orders: July 1, 2023
- Last 12 months revenue: ~$3M
Products (3 SKUs / product lines)
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Outdy (Yappari cans / RTD beverages) — historically the “star” product, sold with a subscription
- Subscription rate: 84%
- Early RTD traction: >100,000 cans sold shortly after launch window
- First online sales cited around March 16
- Gross margin on cans:
- 62% including shipping (shipping framed through Amazon shipping context)
- Earlier mentions of 80%+ gross margin on cans “right now,” before shipping nuance
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Yappari (RTD powder / sachet) — fast-growing line positioned as the future “lead horse”
- Relative performance is referenced as 90/10 vs 85/15 at different points (context suggests it’s still not the “lead horse” yet)
- Positioned as more profitable in the investor narrative (scale is described as easier in D2C)
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Three Punic (daily multivitamin/mineral for nicotine users) — niche SKU
- Targets nicotine users (nicotine/zinc/magnesium replenishment)
- Not heavily pushed yet
Positioning / customer use-case
- “Alcohol alternatives” / social use; RTDs and powder differ by customer and channel
- RTDs: positioned as “pre-workout for going out” / date-night use; cans perform well on TikTok Shop
- Powder: stronger economics on own website; social performance is described as materially different vs cans
Go-to-market & marketing channels (demand generation)
Primary channels
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Meta (Facebook/Instagram) ads: ~90% of budget
- Issue noted: conversion for cans on Meta is about half of powder conversions on the website (implied offer/creative mismatch)
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TikTok Shop: strong performance for cans / RTD
- Claim: “cans work 100x better on TikTok Shop than powder”
- Benchmark: first $1,000 day on the platform for drinks (episode GTM performance)
Target customers (segmented by product)
- Outdy/RTD “envelopes/powder”: described as leaning toward millennial men
- Yappari cans: geared toward women 25–50
- Many affiliates described as mothers age 30–40
- Three Punic: connected to nicotine-using lifestyle (Zyn/vaping users)
Brand/community assets
- Building an “army” / community:
- Discord
- Weekly calls
- Hired moderator
- Editor contributing perspectives (used to scale content/testing)
Key metrics & KPIs mentioned (with targets)
Gross margin
- ~80% gross margin on cans (without shipping framing)
- 62% gross margin on cans including shipping
- Shipping reduced to $10–$12 per 12-can pack
- Powder target: aiming to reach ~90% gross margin for Outdy via manufacturer renegotiation
Retention & repeat rate (powder / subscription economics)
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Second-order retention
- After implementing a retention system (Thomas Lawless retention expert): 42% → 67% (month 1 to month 2 in reporting)
- Now: ~70% for second order, ~30% for third order
- “One drop still to fix,” implying recovery in ~60 days
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Recurring customer rate
- Before subscriptions: ~21% total recurring customers
- After subscriptions: ~46–47% repeat customers
Order economics / profitability approach
- Shifted from being profitable on first order (desired until Sep/Oct 2025) to using a subscription strategy earlier
- Initial subscription discount: 40%
- Goal: recover customer acquisition investment in 30–60 days
- Revenue growth:
- ~$1M sales in 2025 → ~$4M+ by end of year
- Peak month cited: >400k/month during summer
CFO / ROAS and AI vendor metrics (tools promoted in-show)
Vendor-reported figures (as stated in the episode):
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Postscript “Infinity Testing”:
- Incremental revenue: $446,000
- Incremental ROAS: 32x
- Click rates: +43%
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Postscript “Shopper”:
- 23x ROI in courier costs alone
Operational & growth playbook (processes and “what changed”)
Subscription + retention system (powder)
Framework/process
- “Make money via subscription” instead of pure one-time purchase
- Use a discounted subscription to drive adoption
- Solve retention with automation and offer-flow
Tactics described
- Offer included one-time purchase initially, then leaned harder into subscription
- Retention improvements via:
- Free gift / cancellation-save logic
- “Skip a month” option
- Avoid “fraudulent” tactics; keep it legitimate
Measured outcomes
- Subscription adoption: 83% initially (driven by 40% discount)
- Repeat/recurring customer rate: improved to ~46–47%
Managing multi-product focus vs capital constraints
- Problem identified: two different supply chains + two different customer/channel strategies complicate the investor question: which is the lead horse?
- Operational conclusion: success exists in multiple lines, but fundraising and narrative clarity require staged focus
- Decision logic:
- RTD is “promising/future,” but doesn’t outperform powder economics now
- RTD likely needs physical retail shelf access later, which requires more capital/scale
Working-capital-first capital allocation (investor lens)
Capital use thesis
- Treat powder as the engine that produces working-capital-backed growth
- Raise cash to fund inventory before margins generate
Specific fundraising ask
- Wants $3M to accelerate “dust” scaling resources (powder)
- Valuation discussion:
- “Asking price” referenced as ~$20 (exact unit/definition unclear from subtitles)
Fundraising strategy & “avoiding bad deals” (execution guidance)
Narrative & roadmap (staged financing)
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Investor narrative proposed:
- Use this round to grow powder to ~$20M D2C/online revenue
- Then expand into RTD + retail, potentially via:
- Series A
- DSD / distribution partnerships (mentioned as potential next step)
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Time horizon discussed:
- Investors often want liquidity events, implying Series A later
- Mentions 7 years as a “perfect point” (interpreted as typical exit timing)
Avoiding deal traps / valuation mechanics
- Common pitfall: investors may discount when there are competing narratives (two businesses/products with unclear lead)
- Valuation framing: terms depend on fund stage constraints (LP rules / ownership targets)
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Founder guidance:
- Don’t anchor too high; avoid being “in the red” on entry price for follow-on rounds
- Structure early round to make Series A easier:
- offer attractive terms so later investors are incentivized
- bring Series A-credible investors in small amounts now to smooth the next round
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Deal structuring considerations raised:
- SAFE vs convertible note vs primary preferred
- Preferred multiples and participation details matter:
- mentions: 1x / 2x / 3x
- participating vs non-participating
Risks & failure modes (with mitigation)
Main execution risks cited by TJ
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Analytics / finance capability gap
- TJ strong in product/marketing, not a “finance expert”
- Risk: cannot clearly communicate target CPA and scaling thresholds without stronger financial modeling
- Mitigation: bring in fractional CFO / deeper financial analysis
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Inventory / supply risk
- Mistake: running out of inventory led to lost subscribers (~$100k lost last summer)
- Mitigation: “cash + planning” and tighter working-capital control
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Fundraising readiness risk
- Risk: raising cash before the business and founder are ready
- Mitigation: position capital use as working capital (not overexpansion) and demonstrate trading history
Operational risk around multi-product scaling
- Risk: investors don’t know which strategy scales faster (“two competing narratives”)
- Mitigation: staged plan; potentially “minimal maintenance mode” for RTD until powder scales
Concrete recommendations / actionable takeaways (from the episode)
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Focus discipline (core recommendation):
- Put most attention and inventory behind the most viable scaling engine (powder in the near term), then expand RTD/retail later.
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Retention system is the compounding lever:
- Implement retention automation early; discount adoption alone is insufficient
- Measure order-to-order retention (2nd/3rd order) and target recovery within ~60 days
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Working-capital framing for investors:
- Capital for inventory and growth pacing; not “secondary sale / founder extraction”
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Fundraising deal hygiene:
- Avoid valuation/terms that make follow-on rounds painful (“in the red” entry)
- Seek investors whose stage matches traction and who can support future rounds
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Capital allocation logic:
- Ads alone aren’t enough when scaling (Meta is competitive); subscriptions and retention improve economics
Company growth plan (how to scale)
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Immediate scaling plan: “do more of what works now”
- TikTok Shop tribe + Meta spend tuning + subscription scaling
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Content & offer testing constraint:
- Bottleneck: limited resources prevent scaling landing page/offer testing
- Goal: scale offer experimentation (e.g., “tenfold” landing pages/offers), but needs capital/time
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Modeling for investors:
- Built a full financial model using Iris (Drew Fallon referenced)
- Plan to show an investor-friendly CPA ceiling and spending capability based on real numbers
Exits (high-level investor view)
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Exit path A (near-term):
- Reach $20M gross revenue and $2–4M profit
- Potentially sell in a few years to an acquirer seeking a profitable CPG/D2C asset
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Exit path B (longer-term):
- Build to a larger exit target ($200–300M) in about 3.5–4 years (via “Goldilocks” planning)
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Notes:
- Exit depends on revenue/profit scale and investor timeline
- Mentions “7 years perfect point” and ~3.5–4 years horizon
Presenters / sources mentioned
- TJ Bonjiorno — The Outgoing Co (formerly Ramp Health)
- Mike — Operator’s Pod co-host (name not provided in subtitles)
- Matt — Operator’s Pod co-host (name not provided in subtitles)
Experts / tools / companies
- Thomas Lawless (retention expert)
- Postscript (AI SMS tools; “Infinity testing” and “Shopper”)
- AfterSell (post-purchase monetization; used as an ad in the episode)
- Northbeam (measurement/attribution platform; Black Friday discussion)
- Richpanel (AI support automation sponsor)
- Fulfill (ERP for D2C; logistics integrations)
- Sarus IQ (AI analytics / data certification tool)
- Iris (financial modeling; Drew Fallon referenced)
- Drew Fallon (Iris)
- Will from IQ Bar (referenced for fundraising/valuation frameworks)
- Greg / Dom (Bloom competitor context; referenced as creators—full names not specified)
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