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Jeffrey Sherman and Jason Draho: How Should I Be Positioned? | UBS On-Air
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Key takeaways
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Context / timing
- Recording date: April 9.
- Discussion framed around recent US–Iran hostilities and headline volatility; a ceasefire was announced the day before the recording.
Central takeaway
- Markets are treating the geopolitical shock mainly as an inflationary/supply shock (oil-driven) rather than an immediate growth/recession shock.
- Expected effects: short-term inflation higher, modestly slower growth, more complicated Fed timing — but recession is not the base case.
Assets, instruments and sectors mentioned
- Rates / fixed income: U.S. Treasuries (2y, 5y, 10y, 30y), TIPS, yield curve, break-even inflation spreads, duration.
- Credit: Investment Grade (IG) corporate bonds, High Yield (HY), BB-rated spreads, residential mortgages, commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS), asset-backed securities (ABS).
- Equities: S&P 500, software sector, AI-related equities.
- Commodities: oil (primary focus), aluminum, copper.
- Real assets / capex plays: data centers, commercial real estate (office), infrastructure related to AI capex.
- Other: macro indicators (CPI, PPI, unemployment, nonfarm payrolls), tariffs.
Key numbers, moves and timelines
- Rates (Feb 27 → early April): 2‑year yields up ~40–50 bps; 10‑year yields up ~45 bps.
- Equities: S&P 500 down ~4.5% at one point.
- Breakeven inflation: front-of-curve break-evens rose; 10y/30y break-evens have not meaningfully risen.
- Market-implied Fed pricing: swings from pricing hikes to pricing cuts (example: moved from ~50% chance of a hike earlier to ~30% chance of a cut by December on the referenced day).
- UBS CIO base case: two cuts this year, likely back-loaded (September and December), though cuts could be delayed.
- Fiscal: CBO cited a $1.05 trillion deficit in the first five months of the fiscal year; an annualized run rate discussed around ~$2.2 trillion.
- Credit spreads: IG spreads largely unchanged since late February (1 bp difference in the cited window); HY modestly wider but contained; BBs inside ~200 bps; HY inside ~300 bps.
Market / portfolio implications and positioning guidance
Rates positioning
- View: nominal-GDP decomposition — slightly lower real growth, slightly higher inflation (supply shock).
- Duration: favor front-end duration exposure (2y) and the 5y “belly” of the curve. Add duration if yields move a little higher.
- Curve: front end may come down more than the back end if oil moderates; the back end retains a premium due to fiscal concerns across developed markets.
Credit positioning
- Prefer shorter-duration credit and higher-quality bonds (easier to analyze, less spread sensitivity).
- Be cautious on lower-quality and structurally risky credits (examples: certain CMBS/ABS tied to office and data centers).
- Corporate credit overall looks fairly priced; distressed-yield names are being priced accordingly.
- Residential mortgage exposure seen as more attractive and less exposed to AI-related capex risks.
Equity / sector implications
- Software: recent stress reflects margin compression and repricing of expectations rather than wholesale obsolescence.
- AI: recommended exposure via equities rather than debt. Debt financing of AI capex (data centers, CMBS/ABS) raises questions about residual value and credit risk if deals or leases fail.
Tactical cautions
- Avoid short-term trading on geopolitics; expect episodic headline-driven volatility.
- Prefer credits with clear repayment/cash flow; avoid CRE and structured credit with uncertain residual values.
- Monitor front-of-curve inflation (breakevens) to distinguish supply-driven inflation from durable demand shocks.
Framework / methodology (paraphrased steps)
- Start with market signals: examine the yield curve, break-even inflation spreads, and credit spreads to infer market expectations (nominal GDP = real growth + inflation).
- Determine whether a shock is supply-driven (commodity-driven) or demand-driven via front vs. long-end break-evens and curve moves.
- Position duration by deciding whether the front end or back end is more attractive; 5y “belly” highlighted as attractive.
- Favor shorter-duration, higher-quality credit where coverage and payback horizons are short (12–24 months) rather than long structural bets.
- Stress-test credit exposures for residual value and covenant strength (especially CMBS/ABS backed by data centers).
- Use AI tools for speed (data scraping, reporting, modeling) but retain human oversight because models can hallucinate.
Views on monetary policy and Fed dynamics
- UBS CIO base case: two cuts this year (September and December), but cuts could be delayed or removed depending on inflation and labor data.
- Fed will remain data-dependent; labor market dynamics are critical to timing.
- Incoming Fed leadership (e.g., Kevin Walsh referenced) is an unknown; consensus-building and Fed independence optics matter to markets.
- Political risk around Fed appointments can cause market stress; preserving Fed credibility is important.
AI and capex — financing and investment-process usage
- Large projected AI capex: corporate announcements projecting roughly $3–4 trillion in capex into 2030; some estimates suggest ~60% of certain capex was spent in Q1 (anecdotal).
- Financing: AI capex will be financed across equity, IG debt, CMBS/ABS and other debt markets; bond market willingness to finance will condition outcomes.
- Practical stance: preference to take AI exposure via equities rather than speculative infrastructure debt; avoid owning CMBS/ABS where residual value is uncertain.
- In the investment process, AI/ML is mainly used for:
- Data scraping (earnings reports, filings).
- Drafting/research assistance and coding automation.
- Rapid prototyping of spreadsheets and models.
- Caution: models can hallucinate and require human review.
Explicit recommendations and cautions
Tactical recommendations
- Consider adding short-to-intermediate duration exposure (front end and 5y belly) if yields move higher.
- Favor higher-quality, shorter-duration credit (residential mortgages, short IG).
- Invest in AI primarily through equities rather than structurally risky debt tied to AI infrastructure.
Cautions
- Geopolitical headlines (Middle East) create episodic volatility and are inflationary via oil — be cautious on growth assumptions.
- Avoid speculative CMBS/ABS and long-duration credits with unclear residual values.
- Rapid growth in AI-related debt issuance could reveal market discernment if a hiccup (deal or lease failure) occurs.
Performance / risk metrics referenced
- Spread levels: IG spreads ~flat vs. late February; HY slightly wider; BB <200 bps; HY <300 bps.
- Yield moves: 2y +~40–50 bps; 10y +~45 bps in the cited window.
- Equity drawdown example: S&P ~‑4.5% around the shock window.
Disclosures / disclaimers
UBS Chief Investment Office’s views are prepared by UBS Global Wealth Management/affiliates. Views expressed by external guests are those of the speaker and not UBS. Material is informational only and not tailored advice. UBS accepts no liability for reliance on it.
Presenters / sources
- Host: Dan Cassidy (UBS Market Moves podcast)
- Guests: Jeffrey Sherman — Deputy Chief Investment Officer & Portfolio Manager, DoubleLine Capital; Jason Draho — Head of Asset Allocation for the Americas, UBS Chief Investment Office (note: transcript contains minor name/typo inconsistencies, e.g., “Jason Djo”).
- Organizations referenced: DoubleLine Capital, UBS Chief Investment Office (CIO), Congressional Budget Office (CBO).
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