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GW 'Kills' Imperial Agents Codex? Players are not happy...

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This video is a live-stream reaction covering Games Workshop rule changes and rumors, with heavy focus on how Imperial Agents rules are getting worse for small-point games. The discussion also includes general community frustration and broader Warhammer lore chatter.

Imperial Agents “codex kill” controversy (small games cut off)

The streamer discusses a controversy they frame as effectively blocking Imperial Agents from smaller match formats.

  • GW released a new Imperial faction pack download for multiple Imperial armies, including Astra Militarum and notably Imperial Agents.
  • The key change discussed: all Imperial Agents detachments are set to 3 detachment points (3 DP).
    • As a result, players can’t legally play Imperial Agents in smaller match sizes that previously worked.

Impact on 500–1,000 point formats

  • The streamer argues this change effectively removes Imperial Agents from 500–1,000 point (and similar “casual small game”) formats.
  • They claim players are instead forced into much larger games (roughly 2,000 points and up) to fit the required detachment point budget.
  • Imperial Agents players are described as “snapping”/angry because they prefer smaller games and feel GW removed their flexibility.

Additional complaints: Death Watch collateral damage

The streamer makes two related points:

  • Criticism of GW punishing customers by limiting who can play certain armies at the points they want.
  • A claim it may also cause collateral damage, arguing it worsens Death Watch as well due to detachment point changes affecting small Death Watch builds.

Death Watch context and confusion

  • They discuss whether Death Watch detachments remain viable at low points.
  • The streamer references claims that Death Watch may have been “added to Space Marines,” suggesting overlap/changes tied to Space Marine-focused releases.
  • They question GW’s approach to detachment-point design and complain GW should have supported small games more effectively (e.g., by using a 1 DP detachment at the time of the change).

Broader “GW is making money but poor experiences” complaint

The stream frames these rule changes as GW prioritizing business and meta/spam management over fun:

  • If players can’t run their preferred points levels or favorite lists, the game becomes less enjoyable—even if GW’s sales strategy might be benefiting.
  • The streamer repeatedly characterizes the behavior as stupid/unfair, emphasizing disapproval of rules that force players into specific game sizes.

Meta-spam / “MetaTax” rule discussion (increasing costs to reduce spam)

They also discuss a separate concept aimed at reducing unit spam:

  • Certain units (example given: Defilers) may cost extra if taken multiple times (e.g., as a second or third copy).
  • The streamer’s stance:
    • It’s understandable to fight spam.
    • But they mock the idea of “taxing” specific units, worrying it may simply shift spam patterns to other units.

They also discuss whether weaker/slower units should be “taxed,” specifically mentioning:

  • Terminators, including debate over whether Terminators are already too strong or too weak.

Horus Heresy MMO rumor and other lore speculation

The stream shifts into rumor coverage and lore speculation.

Cancelled Warhammer MMO rumor

  • Discussion centers on a cancelled Warhammer MMO rumored to be Horus Heresy-themed.
  • The streamer describes it as writing/work that was “on the cusp of greatness” before cancellation.

“King in Yellow” identity (Rogal Dorn / Valdor discussion)

  • They debate the lore identity of “King in Yellow.”
  • The streamer strongly argues Rogal Dorn / Dawn is connected.
  • They mention claims that Constantine Valdor might return, but dismiss most evidence, saying only minimal hints exist.

Related ongoing lore threads

They connect this speculation to other broader lore discussions, including:

  • Eisenhorn / Ravenor / Bequin
  • The sense that “twists and turns” are coming.

Additional Warhammer chatter

The streamer also covers assorted hobby and community topics:

  • Models/painting and personal hobby projects, including:
    • An Imperial Fists update
    • Armageddon-related Ork plans
  • Broader curiosity about factions and releases (e.g., Eldar/Tau/Chaos/demons, and whether new demon models may come in later editions).
  • Practical hobby preferences:
    • Listening to audio novels while painting, paired with frustration due to dyslexia.
  • Closing section includes tournament/community logistics:
    • local gaming events and general advice about stream distractions
    • (noted as secondary to the Imperial Agents complaint).

Presenters / contributors

  • Main presenter: Valrak (the streamer/host)
  • Notable contributors mentioned (chat participants/commenters): “Matthew”, “Sean”, “Sneeedler”, “Hulk”, “Todd”, “James Workshop”, “Slash”, “Dustin”, “Mandy”, “Luke”, “Bob”, “Keith”, “CJ”, “Mortis Vox”, “Glenn”, and others referenced via chat names

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