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GPT-6 Sol & Luna, Opus 5.5, MiMo-V2.6 Pro & Flash, Grok 4.7 | Live Demo + Q&A (Sep 24th)
Main summary
Key takeaways
Overall context / platform
- The speaker, Peter (Roboflow), runs a VLM evaluation website called Vision Evals.
- The site measures and benchmarks multimodal (VLM) models across tasks including:
- Object detection
- Counting
- OCR / data extraction
- Image reasoning
- (In the demo) Segmentation
- The stream is a live model comparison of four/five major releases from major labs using:
- Leaderboard metrics (e.g., mAP for object detection)
- Interactive “sandbox” re-runs on specific test images
Releases discussed (this week)
- Grok 4.7 (xAI)
- Xiaomi: MiMo V2.6 Pro and MiMo V2.6 Flash
- Anthropic: Claude Opus 5.5
- OpenAI: GPT-6 Sol and GPT-6 Luna
Grok 4.7 (xAI) — improvements but still behind
Reported gains vs prior Grok
- Better object detection / vision quality
- About +20 mAP versus the previous Grok version (on their evaluation)
Still lags the market
- Grok 4.7 scored about 41.2 mAP
- It is described as far behind market leaders
Example behavior differences
- Fewer failures than before:
- Reduced cases where Grok became distracted and produced bad annotations
- Ongoing weaknesses:
- Misses certain object types (example mentioned: “spikes”/tires, including winter tire cases)
- Other detection mistakes still occur
Performance / latency
- Very slow: shown taking about 84 seconds to complete prediction on a test image
- In leaderboard sorting, it’s described as the slowest model on average, notably slower than mentioned quant baselines
GPT-6 Luna vs previous Luna — cheaper but worse overall
Key finding
- GPT-6 Luna is worse than Luna 5.6 in almost everything measured
- The only stated advantage:
- Better high-level object detection (coarser detection)
- At low-level detection, it performs the worst among comparable tasks
Quantified deltas mentioned
- Around 6% in one calculation set
- Roughly ~5% (high level) and ~8% (low level) for reasoning/detection comparisons (Subtitles were imprecise, but the trend is consistent: Luna 6 regresses on detailed tasks.)
Cost advantage
- Luna 6 is much cheaper: roughly 2.5–3× cheaper (high/low ends cited)
Latency
- Mixed—sometimes faster or slower depending on task
- But cost improvement is consistent
Recommendation for auto-annotation
- The speaker advises not to use the new Luna for computer vision auto-annotation, because quality drops despite lower cost.
GPT-6 Sol and Claude Opus 5.5 — best quality/price improvements this week
Claude Opus 5.5 (Anthropic)
Quality jump
- Framed as a major quality improvement
- About +10 percentage points in almost every comparison versus older Opus
- In object detection comparisons:
- Better than other models from Anthropic’s prior lineup
- Nearly best among the new releases
- Still behind GPT-6 Astra in overall quality
Cost
- Still described as expensive overall
- But the improvement is enough to reduce cost versus older baselines
GPT-6 Sol (OpenAI)
Improved vs previous Sol
- “New Sol is better than old Sol.”
Stability / fewer false detections
- Older Sol reportedly hallucinated detections (e.g., detecting “windows” where none exist)
- New Sol is described as correcting those behaviors
Pricing
- Sol is stated to be about ~4–5× cheaper than Astra, while still competitive
Relative ranking summary (speaker’s view)
- Top overall performer for the week’s releases: Opus 5.5
- New Sol: strong, but slightly behind Opus for object detection
- GPT-6 Astra: still described as best overall in their leaderboard comparisons
Pricing/latency comparisons (arena mode and playground)
- The speaker emphasizes cost per image/prediction, not only quality.
- Examples:
- Opus predicted at about “a cent and a half per image” on average
- Another arena example: Opus priced around ~3 cents
- Gemini 3.5 Flash was almost as expensive due to longer runtime
- Some cheaper models had worse quality, e.g., confusing an object concept like “tour” vs “elephant”
- Key takeaway:
- Models can look cheap, but poor quality may remove the benefit (e.g., needing retries or post-processing).
Guidance: what to use for auto-annotation (detection + segmentation)
Object detection auto-annotation recommendations
- New Luna: worse than old Luna → no reason to use
- New Grok: better than old Grok, but still significantly worse than others → no reason to use
- Main recommended choices for detection auto-labeling:
- New Sol
- New Opus
- Close competition mentioned:
- Astra
- “Quen/Kwench 3.8 max” is referenced in the leaderboard context
Data extraction / OCR task findings
- Leaderboard trend: Gemini leads for data extraction
- Opus strengths: strong extraction of specific fields, including difficult/distorted numbers/text
- Sol performance: described as significantly worse than Opus and Gemini on extraction examples
Segmentation: key implementation tradeoffs (SAM vs VLMs)
Core evaluation insight
- SAM-style segmentation models
- Produce high-quality masks
- But do poorly with language understanding
- VLMs
- Understand language/text
- But may output segmentation differently and can be slower
Demonstration notes
- SAM creates masks with correct shapes, but can mislabel based on language cues:
- Example: labeling everything “black” because it fixates on color words
- GPT-6 Luna mask quality described as unsatisfactory
- Sol improves
- Astra performs better but still misses some labels
Runtime and output format
- VLM segmentation outputs polygons (JSON with x/y points) that must be converted to masks, making it slower
- Timings mentioned on a particular image:
- Astra: ~140s
- Sol: ~112s segmentation and ~53s detection
Recommended hybrid workflow (best auto-annotation)
- Use Astra for object detection (language-aware) to get frames/bounding boxes
- Then query SAM-Free for accurate mask generation
- This hybrid approach is presented as the optimal segmentation auto-annotation strategy
Other notes / mentions
- Keypoint/pose estimation: Astra can do “pretty good” keypoints, but still far from human-level markup (pose, hand gestures, face mesh mentioned).
- Comparison of SAM vs VLM segmentation and adjustable “effort level” in the playground (requires login).
- Mentions:
- DeepSeek (speaker suggests current CV capabilities may be low; offers to evaluate later)
- “Jeff Omni” on Hugging Face (open-source image-capable decision/orchestration model, positioned more for real-time decisions than detection/segmentation)
Main speakers / sources
- Peter (Roboflow / open source) — primary speaker and evaluator
- Model families/sources referenced:
- xAI: Grok
- Xiaomi: MiMo V2.6 Pro / Flash
- Anthropic: Claude Opus 5.5
- OpenAI: GPT-6 Sol, GPT-6 Luna, GPT-6 Astra
- Also referenced: Gemini, SAM-Free, and “Quen/Kwench 3.8 max” in leaderboard comparisons
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