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6.54 The Origins of Medieval Theatre: A Conversation with Kyle Thomas

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Main ideas / concepts conveyed

  • The transition from Roman late antique theater to medieval theater is not a clean “rise” after a clear break. Instead, theatricality and drama shift gradually and take new forms across centuries.
  • “Periodization” (splitting history into discrete eras) is useful for historians, but in theater terms it can be misleading because:
    • formal stage drama and theater spectacle decline,
    • while “drama” (dramatic qualities, dialogue, story-shaping, emotional audience impact) continues in literature and education,
    • and theatricality persists as performance culture elsewhere (e.g., street/itinerant performance).
  • Christian critiques in late antiquity target spectacle and theater-as-pagan spectacle, not drama itself.
    • Augustine and John Chrysostom (and others) oppose theater/spectacle (ludi, large venues, moral/spiritual harm).
    • This contributes to the decline of large-scale Roman-style theater, but does not eliminate dramatic literature or dramatic thinking.
  • Manuscripts and education centers (especially monasteries) are key engines of continuity and transformation.
    • Monasteries function as imitation-based learning environments (imitating good exemplars, including spiritual and educational models).
    • Roman comedies and classical texts remain read, copied, studied, and used for instruction.
    • The monastery’s ritual life and classroom-like learning create conditions where dramatic forms thrive.
  • Liturgy and drama influence each other, but “liturgy-as-theater” must be handled carefully.
    • Liturgy develops dialogic and performative elements.
    • However, the speaker argues for a distinction:
      • Liturgy can have theatrical qualities, but it is not necessarily “theater” (its purpose is worship and access to the divine, not entertainment).
  • A major historiographical correction: don’t skip individual figures, especially women like Hrosvitha (Roswitha).
    • The conventional narrative often overemphasizes liturgical drama as the origin of later medieval theater.
    • The speaker argues that education, monastic theatrical culture, and marginalized individuals must be centered.

Method / reasoning approach (as presented)

  • Start by mapping what “early medieval dramatic world” looks like in practice
    • itinerant performances and minstrel-like activity
    • courtly performance records
    • coexistence of formal large theaters in some places and decline elsewhere
  • Identify what declines vs. what persists
    • Declines:
      • formal Roman-style playwriting and large-scale theater spectacle
      • the economic and civic sponsorship structures that sustained spectacle
    • Persists / transforms:
      • dramatic thinking (dialogue, character-focused narrative, emotional effects)
      • performance-like theatricality in other settings
  • Separate “theater/spectacle” from “drama”
    • Christian writers attack spectacle-theater (including ludi and venue-based performance)
    • but dramatic narrative and dialogic modes continue and even become more important in education
  • Use manuscript evidence and educational texts
    • emphasis on copying traditions, marginalia/illustrations, and how texts are embedded in larger manuscript contexts
  • Question the origin narrative
    • treat “liturgical drama as the seed” skeptically
    • propose broader causal networks: monastic schooling, imitation practices, and evolving literary forms

Detailed list of instructional / “how it works” claims (with examples)

1) What defines the “early medieval theatrical landscape” (6th–early 12th centuries)

  • The period is typically framed as ~6th century to very early 12th century.
  • In this world:
    • itinerant performance and performers appear widely
    • some courts record comic/slapstick or improvisational styles
    • imperial structures weaken, but performance culture shifts rather than disappears

Examples mentioned:

  • Sidonius Apollinaris (5th c.) describing comic actors at the court of Theodoric the Visigoth, which he considers beneath the king.
  • A later Carolingian-period warning figure: Aelred/Alcuin of York (referred to in the subtitles as “Carol(i)an court here Alang of York”), warning against performers in monasteries/churches.

2) Why Roman-style formal theater declines (but doesn’t erase drama)

  • Religious pressure:
    • Augustine and John Chrysostom criticize theater/spectacle as pagan, spiritually corrupting.
    • important distinction: they are targeting spectacle/theater (ludi) rather than “drama” as a narrative/dialectical mode.
  • Economic/civic decline:
    • fewer wealthy patrons (senators/civic leaders) fund performances.
  • Creative shift:
    • fewer new plays get written after earlier centuries; existing works and their characters move into other performance/production models.

3) What keeps “drama alive” in early medieval culture

  • Drama survives in literature and educational/poetic dialogic forms (even if not in the form of performed stage scripts).
  • Key example: Prudentius’ “Psychomachia” (subtitled as “psycho makia”)
    • allegorical “battle of the soul”
    • Christian virtues vs. negative forces (including “old gods”/pagan allegories)
    • medieval scribes copy it and add illustrations that “stage” the conflict visually
    • no direct evidence is claimed that it was necessarily performed theatrically, but it demonstrates dramatic qualities embedded in manuscript culture.

4) How monastic life fosters theatricality

  • The monastery is an imitation system:
    • Benedict’s Rule describes imitation from abbots down through the community as lifelong formation.
  • Monasteries:
    • copy and teach Roman comedies (Terence/Platus/others)
    • use dramatic/classical learning for Latin instruction and rhetorical training
    • produce literary works with staged/debatable/character-driven structures

5) How liturgy becomes “dramatic,” and what the speaker cautions

  • Liturgy develops call-and-response patterns that resemble rudimentary acting structures.
  • The speaker argues:
    • liturgy (worship ritual) ≠ theater (entertainment/performance for spectators)
    • dialogic liturgy forms (example: Easter-season “Whom do you seek?” exchange) should be understood primarily as worship, not as entertainment.
  • Also noted:
    • the term “liturgy” is said not to appear until much later (early modern period; earliest attribution in the 16th century in subtitles)—meaning the medieval period may not self-consciously label worship forms the way later scholarship does.

6) Example of prayer-book material that has “staged” qualities: the “Harrowing of Hell”

  • In an early prayer manuscript (Book of Cerne / “book of CERN” as transcribed), the “Harrowing of Hell” section:
    • is instructive and framed for prayer
    • includes dialogue-like structure (Adam/Eve, underworld forces, Christ’s triumph)
    • functions within ritual/private devotional use
    • shows how dramatic forms can appear inside devotional contexts.

7) The educational-historiography claim about origins of medieval theater

  • The speaker argues against a narrow model that directly derives cycle plays mainly from liturgical drama.
  • Instead, they emphasize:
    • broader educational threads (monastic classroom culture)
    • individual innovators (especially marginalized women)
    • “theatrical impetus” rising within monastic individuals

8) Central case study: Hrosvitha (Roswitha)

  • Identified as the 10th-century German canoness at Gandersheim.
  • Key biographical points in subtitles:

    • canoness = not taking holy orders in the same way as cloistered nuns; likely noble Saxon birth
    • connections to court culture: abbess Gerberga (Gberga) and ties to Emperor Otto the Great
    • scholarly claim that she likely knew Bruno (Bruno the Great; described as Otto’s youngest brother)
  • Her plays’ sources and methods:

    • Roman comedy form (Terence/Platus structures, problem-resolution arcs)
    • hagiography (saints’ lives) integrated as story material and recognizable Christian references
    • incorporation of Boethius (e.g., arithmetic and music theory from De Institutione Arithmetica and De Musica) into dialogue and classroom-like debate
  • Specific plays mentioned:

    • “Paphnutius”:
      • saint teaches disciples about cosmos; framed like a teacher/disciples classroom
      • music theory and arithmetic reasoning inserted into dialogue
    • “Sapientia”:
      • figure of Wisdom with allegorical daughters (Charity, Faith, Hope)
      • debate with emperor (Hadrian) demanding worship of pagan gods
  • Manuscript influence:

    • only one manuscript survives, associated with St. Emam in Vensborg (spelled variously)
    • described as an influential monastery focused on teacher training; suggests educational impact beyond surviving copies.

9) Bruno and theatrical performance as education

  • Bruno (Bruno the Great, not the Carthusian Bruno) is presented as:
    • a patron/enthusiast of theater and drama
    • associated with Cologne’s power centers (including St. Pantaleon context in subtitles)
    • connected to the spread of training that produces theatrical performers/educators
  • A later figure at a Bavarian monastery (Folan/Foland in subtitles):
    • uses performance and wild sound/gestures as teaching tools
    • argues such performance engages students and improves spiritual experience

10) Shift into the 12th century (scholasticism and “explosions” in drama)

  • Rise of scholasticism → fuels dramatic and poetic literature.
  • Mentions “12th-century renaissance” with increased dramatic writing and play circulation.
  • Mentions rude/uncou/sometimes transgressive “elegiac comedies”:
    • misogynistic and anti-semitic (noted as a significant modern moral concern)
    • schoolboy-authored and modeled on Roman structures.

11) Liturgies incorporated into later plays—but used theatrically/invertedly

  • Example: “Ludus Antichrist” (play about the Antichrist)
    • contains multiple liturgies (4 are mentioned)
    • not presented as liturgical drama meant for worship context
    • liturgies appear in disconnected ways and are “performed backwards,” signaling inverted/false authority of Antichrist
    • liturgical material becomes recognizable theatrical coding for audiences (e.g., noticing “wrong way” to do the liturgy)
    • the point: later drama uses liturgy to create theatrical meaning, not to worship God.

Main speakers/sources featured (identified)

People / speakers

  • Kyle Thomas (guest; theater historian, actor, director, theater critic; professor/adjunct roles described)
  • Host / narrator (“Welcome to the history of European theater podcast…”; the subtitle does not provide a clear name)

Historical figures / authors discussed

  • Sidonius Apollinaris
  • Theodoric the Visigoth
  • Augustine (St. Augustine)
  • John Chrysostom
  • Isidore of Seville (mentioned via Etymologies)
  • Terence
  • Plautus
  • Prudentius (for Psychomachia)
  • Benedict of Nursia (St. Benedict) (Rule of St. Benedict)
  • Alcuin / “Alang of York” (as transcribed; referenced as a warning figure in the Carolingian context)
  • Boethius (music and arithmetic treatises: De Institutione Arithmetica and De Musica)
  • Martianus Capella (mentioned via Marriage of Mercury and Philology)
  • Hrosvitha / Roswitha (transcribed as “Feet/Herodvit”)
  • Gerberga (abbess name as transcribed)
  • Otto the Great (Emperor)
  • Bruno the Great (Bruno of Cologne)
  • Folan/Foland (teacher figure associated with theatrical performance pedagogy at a Bavarian monastery)
  • Henry IV and Shakespeare (mentioned only in the podcast outro/teaser)

Works / texts referenced

  • Psychomachia (Prudentius)
  • Etymologies (Isidore of Seville)
  • Classical Roman plays by Terence and Plautus
  • Rule of St. Benedict
  • Boethius: De Institutione Arithmetica; De Musica
  • Martianus Capella: Marriage of Mercury and Philology
  • Boethius: Consolation of Philosophy (mentioned)
  • “Harrowing of Hell” (in early manuscript/prayer-book context)
  • “Whom do you seek?” / Easter-season dialogic liturgy (mentioned)
  • “Ludus Antichrist” / play about the Antichrist
  • “Mystery plays” / cycle plays (discussed as later phenomenon)
  • “elegiac comedies” (mentioned)

Institutions / publications referenced

  • Missouri State University
  • North Park University (Chicago)
  • Metropolitan Museum of Art Cloisters (NYC) (production credit mentioned)
  • Romard (journal)
  • Discovery Channel’s Mysteries of the Abandoned Hidden America
  • Podcast platform and social media (Facebook/Instagram/BlueSky/Patreon) are mentioned in the outro; not central to the academic content.

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