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High Bandwidth Flash Is Coming

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Main technological concepts (LLM inference + memory bottlenecks)

Prefill vs. Decode

  • Prefill: Processes the input in parallel (e.g., prompt, system prompt, prior replies, tool calls, multimodal data).
    • Transformer attention produces Query/Key/Value, where Key/Value are stored.
  • Decode: Generates output one token at a time, consulting the KV Cache for prior context.

KV Cache purpose

  • Stores attention Key/Value from earlier tokens so the model doesn’t repeatedly recompute attention over the entire prompt/state.
  • Performance trade:
    • Prefill is more compute-bound (parallelizable).
    • Decode is more memory-bound (waiting on data loads), making memory bandwidth/latency critical for token throughput.

Why memory tech matters now (“cultivating MASS”)

Two compounding growth drivers

  1. LLM weights (e.g., multi-trillion-parameter models)
    • Example mentioned: Kimi K3 at ~2.8T params; terabyte-scale at 8-bit.
  2. KV Cache size
    • Grows with long-context and long-running agents (up to ~1M tokens mentioned).

Current mitigation idea: KV compression/blocking

  • Splits KV into blocks, moving less-frequently used parts to SSD while keeping “hot” parts in HBM.
  • Downside: compression can reduce detail fidelity (likened to a “blurry JPG”).

HBM: benefits and emerging limitations

HBM overview

  • 3D-stacked memory with a logic base die and stacked DRAM dies via TSVs (through-silicon vias).

Core criticism / concern

  • As stacks get taller to add capacity, bandwidth per layer/die can get diluted due to TSV/stack trade-offs.
  • Potential economics/performance issue:
    • Increasing capacity may become more expensive and may reduce effective per-core throughput at extreme stack heights.

Reported industry sentiment

  • Discussion referenced Irrational Analysis suggesting HBM could be a “mistake.”
  • During Hot Chips 2026, a SemiAnalysis/analyst-style question highlighted bandwidth dilution when using taller stacks (more layers) instead of improving speed.

High Bandwidth Flash (HBF): what it is and why it’s being considered

What HBF claims to do

  • Concept: stack/connect flash (NAND) dies similar to how HBM stacks DRAM dies, using advanced packaging (not monolithic 3D NAND).
  • Capacity advantage:
    • Described as potentially 8–16× higher per stack than HBM (example given: ~512GB vs ~36GB per HBM4 stack).
  • Bandwidth goal:
    • Keeps “high bandwidth” semantics and may increase bandwidth by exposing more NAND cells to the GPU.
    • Effective figure mentioned: up to ~3 TB/s (with comparisons to HBM3E/HBM4 numbers).

Key downsides / constraints (“the catch”)

Because NAND isn’t DRAM, the discussion emphasizes three major limitations:

  1. Much slower program/write

    • Program/write is ~2 orders of magnitude slower than HBM.
    • Leads to latency concerns (programming is slower than reading).
  2. Endurance / wear-out

    • NAND cells have limited write cycles (framed as thousands of cycles in an order-of-magnitude comparison).
    • Implication: workloads should be read-mostly, with careful write minimization.
  3. Power and thermal costs

    • Large HBF “cubes” consume more power and generate more heat.
    • Heat can cause throttling, worsening effective endurance/performance.

Product/support ecosystem timeline and standardization

Earlier research lineage

  • 2019 IEEE 3D Systems Integrated Conference work introduced “High Bandwidth NAND” using TSV/bump-less approaches.

Commercial/industry milestones (as described)

  • Feb 2025: SanDisk introduces HBF at its Future FWD investor day.
  • May 2024: Patent filing mentioned.
  • July 2025: HBF Technical Advisory Board formed
    • Includes David Patterson and Raja Koduri.
  • Aug 2025: MOU with SK hynix for spec standardization.
  • (Timeline described): Google and Tenstorrent join a consortium.
  • ~Aug 2026: Open Compute Project public spec release
    • Version 0.7.0.
  • Samsung has a related approach (zNAND-O), described as potentially similar but not guaranteed to match HBF.

“Where does it go?” (integration strategy for AI systems)

Proposed place in the memory hierarchy

  • The pitch: place HBF alongside HBM at Tier 1 (near the GPU).
  • Use HBM for “hot” data and HBF for “warmer” / larger data.
  • Constraint: GPU interposer footprint (capacity trade-offs must fit physically).

Example scaling math (as stated)

  • A GPU with 8×24GB HBM (~192GB total) could become 6 HBF + 2 HBM, reaching ~3.12TB total memory.

Major systems caveat: token throughput isn’t automatically cheaper

  • Hot Chips 2026 systems point:
    • Even if capacity is cheap, token generation speed depends on whether the system can supply data fast enough from HBF.
  • Requires extensive software support and intelligent data placement.

Software/workload implications emphasized in the video

“HBF Sucks?” paper (described)

  • Argues:
    • HBF is not a drop-in replacement for SSDs.
    • Software must carefully decide what goes into HBF—example: shared prompts.
  • Model-structure fit:
    • A Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) model may be a better candidate because only a subset of experts is read per token, making lower bandwidth per GB potentially more acceptable.
  • Contrasts with a naive assumption that “more capacity = faster performance.”

Historical analogy: Intel Optane lessons (failure modes to avoid)

Comparison to Optane (3D XPoint / PCM)

  • HBF is compared to Optane, which was marketed as “in-between” NAND and DRAM (“warm data” with DRAM-like latency).
  • Optane struggled due to market/price pressure and strategy issues, despite promising memory technology.

Takeaway for HBF

  • Avoid repeating Optane’s pitfalls in:
    • controller/productization,
    • go-to-market strategy,
    • and ensuring the platform actually delivers promised performance with software support.

Reviews/guides/tutorial references

  • No direct step-by-step how-to guide is presented.
  • The discussion cites technical papers/specs as evidence, including:
    • Transformer inference concepts (prefill/decode/KV cache)
    • 2019 IEEE “High Bandwidth NAND”
    • 2026 Hot Chips system integration discussion
    • “HBF Sucks?” performance/placement analysis
    • Open Compute Project spec v0.7.0

Key speakers/sources mentioned (by the video)

  • Irrational Analysis
  • SemiAnalysis analyst (questioner at Hot Chips 2026, quoted via Irrational Analysis)
  • Micron, Samsung, SK hynix (memory makers presenting at Hot Chips 2026)
  • A. Agrawal and R. Giduthuri (Hot Chips 2026 architects discussing HBF integration)
  • Koji Sakui and Takayuki Ohba (authors of the 2019 “High Bandwidth NAND” concept)
  • SanDisk
  • David Patterson and Raja Koduri (HBF Technical Advisory Board)
  • Google, Tenstorrent (joined the consortium)
  • Open Compute Project (HBF spec v0.7.0 release)
  • Intel Optane history: Intel and Micron (Optane/3D XPoint background) and Alper Ilkbahar (linked to HBF leadership and previously Optane group leadership)
  • Samsung (mentioned for zNAND-O alternative)
  • Hot Chips / Hot Chips 2026 (talks and Q&A)

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